B230+T5 3k rpm shake - Page 12

cosbySweater · 03-02-2022, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Harlard

Ryan's 242 has a dogdish flywheel. Chris Miranda's car is also quiet.

When you have to put a massive balancer on your driveshaft to quite it down, maybe it's not worth it :P

Harlard · 03-02-2022, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cosbySweater

When you have to put a massive balancer on your driveshaft to quite it down, maybe it's not worth it :P

100%

Broke4speed · 03-02-2022, 07:39 PM

It's too bad there's not another option that isn't a giant 6-speed the drift kids have driven up in price. I have considered trying an AR5 by getting an LS manual swap kit and using a GM-to-redblock adapter too. Double adapters doesn't seem correct though...but if it works.

gsellstr · 03-02-2022, 07:43 PM

The black car is a dog dish? Thought he went flat on that.

cosbySweater · 03-02-2022, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Broke4speed

It's too bad there's not another option that isn't a giant 6-speed the drift kids have driven up in price. I have considered trying an AR5 by getting an LS manual swap kit and using a GM-to-redblock adapter too. Double adapters doesn't seem correct though...but if it works.

Pretty sure people have stacked them before with no problems, niw did on his t56 iirc.

Look outside of the normal circle for adapters, kl and some other places in Sweden have reasonably priced adapters.

Harlard · 03-02-2022, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gsellstr

The black car is a dog dish? Thought he went flat on that.

Really? Hmm.

We should dismantle it to learn its secrets.

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Originally Posted by cosbySweater

Pretty sure people have stacked them before with no problems, niw did on his t56 iirc.

Look outside of the normal circle for adapters, kl and some other places in Sweden have reasonably priced adapters.

Asher did on his car. Don't the cool Swedish kids cut n shut diesel boxes these days?

cosbySweater · 03-02-2022, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Harlard

Really? Hmm.

We should dismantle it to learn its secrets.

Asher did on his car. Don't the cool Swedish kids cut n shut diesel boxes these days?

That's a very harlard thing to do.

Wait it's perfect? Take it apart

holtzboy · 03-02-2022, 08:13 PM

Which BMW box did Koltan DNL put in his panel wagon? Is that worth exploring or not?

Broke4speed · 03-02-2022, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosbySweater

Pretty sure people have stacked them before with no problems, niw did on his t56 iirc.

Look outside of the normal circle for adapters, kl and some other places in Sweden have reasonably priced adapters.

Most of their adapters end up using gearboxes we don't have easy access to, or are equally as old as the M46. BMW Getrag 260 boxes from plain jane E30s are useable...but again...not easily replaceable :(.

gsellstr · 03-03-2022, 12:04 AM

Nathan actually did a custom aluminum adapter for his setup, 5/8" thick instead of the 5/16" my adapters and the KL stuff is. Then he found out the pilot was not engaged enough into the crank. Seems like 5/16 would have worked well for his T56, but I've not found someone to test that theory yet. Also the T56 is a BIG box for that tunnel.

RvolvoR · 03-03-2022, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Harlard

Asher did on his car. Don't the cool Swedish kids cut n shut diesel boxes these days?

on what car?

The whiteblock car has a 960 bellhousing and an adapter plate to AR5/R154

Benjam83 · 03-03-2022, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cosbySweater

Has anyone here tried a newer t5 based trans or are these all "rebuilt" or worn out jy units

My T5 is from an early 90s Stang GT. In true TB fashion, mine was a C-list buy. No idea on how many miles, wasn't sure if I was getting ripped off or not.

But, deviating from the TB "jus' gon' send it" mentality, I had a trans shop check it out, and make sure it was gtg. It was...

Used the existing flywheel, and all the Yoshi bits for the swap...and I did the shortened 2-piece DS with all new U-joints.

It's still awesome and I still love it...if/when I go down this road again, I'll be following the same recipe...

VB242 · 03-04-2022, 12:42 AM

I have a TR3650 with 2 adapter plates, the BNE shop to T5/tko adapter and hanlon TR3650 to TKO adapter. It makes some noise coasting down, I'm sure it's something I did it was a lot of work to make it fit. I'm also using 2 piece M47 driveshaft with different ends welded on.

cosbySweater · 03-04-2022, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benjam83

My T5 is from an early 90s Stang GT. In true TB fashion, mine was a C-list buy. No idea on how many miles, wasn't sure if I was getting ripped off or not.

But, deviating from the TB "jus' gon' send it" mentality, I had a trans shop check it out, and make sure it was gtg. It was...

Used the existing flywheel, and all the Yoshi bits for the swap...and I did the shortened 2-piece DS with all new U-joints.

It's still awesome and I still love it...if/when I go down this road again, I'll be following the same recipe...

If you're happy with it that's all that matters at the end of the day!

gsellstr · 03-04-2022, 11:26 AM

Both trans I have are from 95 SN95 5.0's with a swapped input shaft. Guess we'll see how things go...

bgpzfm142 · 03-09-2022, 03:20 AM

Been following this thread for a while, and I don't believe this has been mentioned:

Has anybody experiencing these bad vibrations done a check of the bellhousing / adapter plate combo alignment, for runout?

Tremec specifies a maximum misalignment (runout) of 0.005" after all, so even a poofteenth of misalignment could, in theory, cause some sort of drama. Not as much as if the input shaft and spigot bearing were misaligned a whole smidgen and cause hard shifting, etc., but enough to make the input shaft rattle and pass the vibes down the mainshaft. Or the other way around, on the overrun.

Just a thought.

oldschoolvolvo · 03-09-2022, 01:17 PM

^^ fair points, but I'd wager that the majority of T5 swappers have not checked runout and those that have (Stiggy Pop? dbarton?) still had the rattle.

AFAIK, the annoying decel rattles of the T5 are the sounds in the videos below. Several members including myself have cured this by using the large 4cyl / Ranger slip yoke damper (F6ZZ-4841-BA). Suspicions are that this was an issue with the 4cyl Ford cars and is why the large slip yoke damper exists.

If there are strong vibrations felt through the seat, etc I would suspect driveshaft or pinion misalignment.

blkaplan · 03-09-2022, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgpzfm142

Been following this thread for a while, and I don't believe this has been mentioned:

Has anybody experiencing these bad vibrations done a check of the bellhousing / adapter plate combo alignment, for runout?

Tremec specifies a maximum misalignment (runout) of 0.005" after all, so even a poofteenth of misalignment could, in theory, cause some sort of drama. Not as much as if the input shaft and spigot bearing were misaligned a whole smidgen and cause hard shifting, etc., but enough to make the input shaft rattle and pass the vibes down the mainshaft. Or the other way around, on the overrun.

Just a thought.

I dont think bell housing alignment will cause a vibration. It certainly could cause your trans or engine to be ruined in short order but not a vibration.

culberro · 03-09-2022, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blkaplan

I dont think bell housing alignment will cause a vibration. It certainly could cause your trans or engine to be ruined in short order but not a vibration.

This. It’ll also add wear to the input shaft that will be pretty noticeable, it can also make the trans not shift well.

I’m 50/50 on noisy t5s, which have had the bell housings checked for runout (1 silent, one noisy, same adapter setup).
I’ll have a 3rd one to add as a data point here in a bit as well.

Broke4speed · 03-09-2022, 02:28 PM

I recently saw under an 87-ish TurboCoupe with a manual 4cyl T5...and the big ol' damper was there.

Broke4speed · 03-09-2022, 02:43 PM

Here's a couple views I found on the net. I never noticed that the trans crossmember has bushings separating it from the body.

Some sort of NVH counterweight on the rear diff?

Maybe using the large damper with a 2pc trans crossmember would help?

Broke4speed · 03-09-2022, 02:50 PM

Ooh, more info...sorry if it's already been hashed out in this thread. I'll delete if it has been.

Some info:
https://www.corral.net/threads/what-...alled.2507640/

holtzboy · 03-09-2022, 03:39 PM

I am hoping for something to be pinpointed so when I get my setup I don’t have to go through all of this!

oldschoolvolvo · 03-09-2022, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by holtzboy

I am hoping for something to be pinpointed so when I get my setup I don’t have to go through all of this!

Use the large slip yoke damper.
https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts...oke-f6zz4841ba

holtzboy · 03-09-2022, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolvolvo

Use the large slip yoke damper.
https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts...oke-f6zz4841ba

Well I know that but it seemed some people managed to get no vibrations without using that and it was still a mystery.

03-02-2022, 07:39 PM	#278
Broke4speed Board Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Marionville, Ontario, Canada	It's too bad there's not another option that isn't a giant 6-speed the drift kids have driven up in price. I have considered trying an AR5 by getting an LS manual swap kit and using a GM-to-redblock adapter too. Double adapters doesn't seem correct though...but if it works. __________________ 1984 244/ AQ171C / T5

03-02-2022, 07:43 PM	#279
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03-02-2022, 08:13 PM	#283
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03-04-2022, 12:42 AM	#288
VB242 I.M. Weasel Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Driving the No Malarkey Bus	I have a TR3650 with 2 adapter plates, the BNE shop to T5/tko adapter and hanlon TR3650 to TKO adapter. It makes some noise coasting down, I'm sure it's something I did it was a lot of work to make it fit. I'm also using 2 piece M47 driveshaft with different ends welded on. __________________ Living life one day at a time. Stopping to smell the oil slick beneath my Volvos.

03-09-2022, 03:20 AM	#291
bgpzfm142 crossmember Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Launceston, Tasmana	Been following this thread for a while, and I don't believe this has been mentioned: Has anybody experiencing these bad vibrations done a check of the bellhousing / adapter plate combo alignment, for runout? Tremec specifies a maximum misalignment (runout) of 0.005" after all, so even a poofteenth of misalignment could, in theory, cause some sort of drama. Not as much as if the input shaft and spigot bearing were misaligned a whole smidgen and cause hard shifting, etc., but enough to make the input shaft rattle and pass the vibes down the mainshaft. Or the other way around, on the overrun. Just a thought. __________________ _______ THE FLEET (AKA good luck trying to park around here) 71 1800E \| 73 144 \| 74 142 \| 74 145 \| 79 242GT \| 85 244 \| 88 780 V6 \| 93 945T \| 96 965 \| 2010 S80 V8 plus a Holden Commodore VT SS 5.7 feedback thread

03-03-2022, 12:04 AM	#285
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: BFE Desert east of Cali	Nathan actually did a custom aluminum adapter for his setup, 5/8" thick instead of the 5/16" my adapters and the KL stuff is. Then he found out the pilot was not engaged enough into the crank. Seems like 5/16 would have worked well for his T56, but I've not found someone to test that theory yet. Also the T56 is a BIG box for that tunnel.

03-04-2022, 11:26 AM	#290
gsellstr Vintage anti-ricer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: BFE Desert east of Cali	Both trans I have are from 95 SN95 5.0's with a swapped input shaft. Guess we'll see how things go...

03-09-2022, 01:17 PM	#292
oldschoolvolvo Board Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lancaster, PA	^^ fair points, but I'd wager that the majority of T5 swappers have not checked runout and those that have (Stiggy Pop? dbarton?) still had the rattle. AFAIK, the annoying decel rattles of the T5 are the sounds in the videos below. Several members including myself have cured this by using the large 4cyl / Ranger slip yoke damper (F6ZZ-4841-BA). Suspicions are that this was an issue with the 4cyl Ford cars and is why the large slip yoke damper exists. If there are strong vibrations felt through the seat, etc I would suspect driveshaft or pinion misalignment. __________________ -Mike ~~1998 V70 T5~~ 1979 242 DL 16v \|Feedback\|

03-09-2022, 02:28 PM	#295
Broke4speed Board Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Marionville, Ontario, Canada	I recently saw under an 87-ish TurboCoupe with a manual 4cyl T5...and the big ol' damper was there.

03-09-2022, 02:43 PM	#296
Broke4speed Board Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Marionville, Ontario, Canada	Here's a couple views I found on the net. I never noticed that the trans crossmember has bushings separating it from the body. Some sort of NVH counterweight on the rear diff? Maybe using the large damper with a 2pc trans crossmember would help?

03-09-2022, 02:50 PM	#297
Broke4speed Board Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Marionville, Ontario, Canada	Ooh, more info...sorry if it's already been hashed out in this thread. I'll delete if it has been. Some info: https://www.corral.net/threads/what-...alled.2507640/

03-09-2022, 03:39 PM	#298
holtzboy Project Procrastinator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cornelius, OR	I am hoping for something to be pinpointed so when I get my setup I don’t have to go through all of this!

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