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Old 01-04-2020, 02:32 AM   #1
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Default Bilstein yellows (240 rear) don't fit

I recently acquired some yellow Billys as part of a barter deal. According to FCP they are compatible with my 78 242. Cool. Came off my buddies lowered 83. Marked F4-B46-0296-H1.

Today I went to install them, and they are considerably shorter than the KYB gas-a-justs that are on now. I tried jacking the rear axle up so that the trailing arms will meet the bottom of the shock, but I started to lift the car off the hoist before the bolt holes lined up. Now that I think of it, I didn't notice if it was the rear axle bottoming out against the bump stops, or just binding the springs enough to lift the car. End of a long day and I thought I could just bang it out.

Can you fit yellows without modification/lowering springs? Am I being a stupid?

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Old 01-04-2020, 03:48 AM   #2
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take springs out install shocks
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If the shock is that short, it might/will bottom out on rebound. Or they might even compress the springs and lower the car just because they are so short. Needs shorter springs.
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I don't think I'll be able to get the springs back in. Is this how you did it?
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I don't think I'll be able to get the springs back in. Is this how you did it?
There is no way to do that. He's just messin' with you.
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You need spacers at the bottom of your strut.

https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/721...Front-1229423/
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You need spacers at the bottom of your strut.

https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/721...Front-1229423/
I should have clarified i'm talking about the rear shocks.
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Oops, reading comprehension fail. Those are listed as 100 series cars. Yep, get 240 ones!
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Oops, reading comprehension fail. Those are listed as 100 series cars. Yep, get 240 ones!
I need spacers to fit the rear shocks? Or the shocks are listed as 100 series compatible.
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The part number is for a 140. Whether those have less suspension travel than 240s I don't know, but if they are too short you are SOL unless you chop your bump stops and lower the car a bunch.
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Key words are that these came off a lowered car. That means someone probably bought shorter than stock shocks to use on that lowered car. You need stock length shocks or as suggested above you have to lower your car with shorter springs.
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The part number is for a 140. Whether those have less suspension travel than 240s I don't know, but if they are too short you are SOL unless you chop your bump stops and lower the car a bunch.
140 Bilsteins have a smaller lower eyelet and haven't been available for ~25+ years.

For a while they included a thin spacer tube with 240 shocks, but it's been a good 15 years since they've done that.
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VP is selling the same shock for 140, 164 and 240. Length isn't the problem.

http://212.247.61.152/US/main.aspx?p...&artno=46-0296

Is is possible that the shaft is bent and the shock isn't fully extending?
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VP is selling the same shock for 140, 164 and 240. Length isn't the problem.

http://212.247.61.152/US/main.aspx?p...&artno=46-0296

Is is possible that the shaft is bent and the shock isn't fully extending?
^ This, blown shocks from a lowered hooptie?

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^ This, blown shocks from a lowered hooptie?
The shocks don't compress easily/have in and out play like they would if there were blown. As far as I can tell they are in good condition.
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But you say they're too short?

& the part number checks out, something's not adding up here.
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^ This, blown shocks from a lowered hooptie?
Muchachito, mio, I think lowering cars for a stupid worn out cosmetic fad is stupider than fawk and people that want to do it little consumeriod fan-boi wannabe Honja types...

But can you explain how--what mechanically happens inside shocks they supposedly "blows" them because they're compressed 2 more inches at static unladen height when somebody "lowers" their car, versus that the same shock installed stock stock stock everything and the shock is compressed at static unladen height 2 less inches??

20 years I've been hearing this, and asking what is it that "kills" shocks when used with cut springs.

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But you say they're too short?

& the part number checks out, something's not adding up here.
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What's the part # on the KYB?
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If that is the shock extended all the way. I don't care what the number on it reads. It's too short and you need the correct length shock for stock springs. People use the shorter chevy suburban shocks on their lowered cars. Maybe this is what you have?
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What's the part # on the KYB?
I'll check tomorrow if I can get my car on the lift after work.
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If that is the shock extended all the way. I don't care what the number on it reads. It's too short and you need the correct length shock for stock springs. People use the shorter chevy suburban shocks on their lowered cars. Maybe this is what you have?
I have TME lowering springs for the car, but not ready to install them until I can find a good deal on some lightly used yellow strut inserts.
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Does anyone have a yellow laying around they could measure for me? Still trying to figure this out, I believe they are shortened.
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:37 PM   #25
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Yeah, I have a new pair in stock. They're ~17¼" center to center of the mounting eyes.
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